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		<title>Initial Hall Of Fame Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Milani</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Cooperstown]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Alan Trammell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Barry Larkin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Edgar Martinez]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Hall of Fame]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jeff Bagwell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jim Deshaies]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Larry Walker]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is without looking at any stats, except Barry Larkin&#8217;s and Larry Walker&#8217;s, who for some reason I felt like I needed to take a look.
I like that the minimum requirements mean that Bobby Higginson and Lenny Harris get on the ballot. Cool.
I remember the tongue-in-cheek &#8220;One man, one vote&#8221; campaign that Jim Deshaies waged [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://batsboth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/barry_larkin.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-490" title="barry_larkin" src="http://batsboth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/barry_larkin.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="540" /></a>This is without looking at any stats, except <strong>Barry Larkin</strong>&#8217;s and <strong>Larry Walker</strong>&#8217;s, who for some reason I felt like I needed to take a look.</p>
<p>I like that the minimum requirements mean that <strong>Bobby Higginson </strong>and <strong>Lenny Harris</strong> get on the ballot. Cool.</p>
<p>I remember the tongue-in-cheek &#8220;One man, one vote&#8221; campaign that <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/deshaji01.shtml" target="_blank"><strong>Jim Deshaies</strong></a> waged in &#8220;support&#8221; of his 2001 candidacy.  He got his one vote.</p>
<p>My thoughts are below on who SHOULD/SHOULDN&#8217;T and who WILL/WONT get in in 2010.</p>
<p>Further posts on this to follow, with some explanations and a bit more analysis&#8230;</p>
<p>Roberto Alomar, <strong>SHOULD, WILL</strong><br />
Carlos Baerga, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Jeff Bagwell, <strong>SHOULD, WILL</strong><br />
Harold Baines, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Bert Blyleven, <strong>SHOULD</strong>, WONT<br />
Bret Boone, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Kevin Brown, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
John Franco, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Juan Gonzalez, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Marquis Grissom, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Lenny Harris, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Bobby Higginson, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Charles Johnson, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Barry Larkin, <strong>SHOULD, WILL</strong><br />
Al Leiter, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Edgar Martinez, <strong>SHOULD</strong>, WONT<br />
Tino Martinez, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Don Mattingly, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Fred McGriff, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Mark McGwire, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Raul Mondesi, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Jack Morris, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Dale Murphy, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
John Olerud, SHOULDNT, WONT<br />
Rafael Palmeiro, SHOULD&#8217;NT, WONT<br />
Dave Parker, SHOULD&#8217;NT, WONT<br />
Tim Raines, <strong>SHOULD</strong>, WONT<br />
Kirk Rueter, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Benito Santiago, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Lee Smith, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
B.J. Surhoff, SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT<br />
Alan Trammell, <strong>SHOULD</strong>, WONT<br />
Larry Walker. SHOULDN&#8217;T, WONT</p>
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		<title>Bloggers vs. Writers: Hall of Fame style</title>
		<link>http://batsboth.com/2010/01/05/bloggers-vs-writers-hall-of-fame-style/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Milani</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Cooperstown]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Andre Dawson]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[BBWAA]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Bert Blyleven]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Hall of Fame]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jack Morris]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tim Raines]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[My last Hall of Fame thoughts.  I was trying to research as many &#8216;online ballots&#8217; by writers and bloggers as I could find, but the work done by others is better so I&#8217;ll reference it instead.
Baseball Think Factory has been tallying Hall of Fame voting among 89 full ballots.   Their numbers to date:
Alomar 88.8%
Blyleven 82.0%
Dawson [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://batsboth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bbwaagraphic.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-150" title="bbwaagraphic" src="http://batsboth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bbwaagraphic-211x300.jpg" alt="" width="211" height="300" /></a>My last Hall of Fame thoughts.  I was trying to research as many &#8216;online ballots&#8217; by writers and bloggers as I could find, but the work done by others is better so I&#8217;ll reference it instead.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/2009_hall_of_fame_ballot_gathering_machine/P100/" target="_blank">Baseball Think Factory</a> has been tallying <a href="http://www.baseballhalloffame.org" target="_blank">Hall of Fame</a> voting among 89 full ballots.   Their numbers to date:</p>
<p>Alomar 88.8%<br />
Blyleven 82.0%<br />
Dawson 79.8%<br />
Larkin 57.0%<br />
Morris 51.7%<br />
Raines 42.7%<br />
Martinez 41.6%<br />
Smith 38.2%<br />
McGwire 32.6%<br />
Trammell 25.8%</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sbnation.com/">SB Nation</a> ran a <a href="http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/1/4/1232959/hall-of-fame-voting-is-all-about" target="_blank">poll of its own bloggers</a>, with the following top 12:</p>
<p>Blyleven 92.3%<br />
Alomar 73.1%<br />
Larkin 63.5%<br />
Raines 53.8%<br />
McGwire 51.9%<br />
Martinez 48.1%<br />
Trammell 40.4%<br />
Dawson 32.7%<br />
Smith 26.9%<br />
McGriff 25.0%<br />
Murphy 17.3%<br />
Morris 13.5%</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that <strong>Andre Dawson</strong> and <strong>Jack Morris</strong> get so much more support from writers, and <strong>Tim Raines </strong>and <strong>Alan Trammell</strong> are pushed more by the bloggers.  But the Dawson/Morris disparities are huge: Dawson get in on the writers&#8217; exit poll, while earning less than 1/3 of the bloggers vote.  And Morris doesn&#8217;t even make the bloggers&#8217; top 10.</p>
<p>Why the huge variance? I think the positives for Dawson (438 home runs, great all-around player) and Morris (most wins in the 80s, &#8216;big game pitcher&#8217;) resonate better with the writers, who tend to have been involved in the game longer and are more set in their criteria.  The bloggers, less experienced in covering the game, have tended to latch onto newer stats and newer thinking &#8211; and Dawson&#8217;s low OBP and Morris&#8217; high ERA have counted against them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that a selection of <a href="http://baseballblogs.org/">bloggers</a>, even if loosely associated through SB Nation, would only agree on one candidate, since they come from a wider background and more varied experience level than the <a href="http://www.baseballwriters.org/" target="_blank">BBWAA</a> members.</p>
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		<title>Raines for the Hall</title>
		<link>http://batsboth.com/2009/12/17/raines-for-the-hall/</link>
		<comments>http://batsboth.com/2009/12/17/raines-for-the-hall/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Milani</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Cooperstown]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[History]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Hall of Fame]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Jim Rice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Roy White]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Tim Raines]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ll have a more detailed Hall of Fame post soon (I think Mr. Biro might as well&#8230;) but Joe Posnanski&#8217;s item today pretty much sums up my thoughts on Tim Raines:
Poz has some interesting thoughts on Jim Rice vs. Roy White &#8211; the point being that you wouldn&#8217;t think of White as being as near [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-101" title="Raines" src="http://batsboth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Raines-219x300.jpg" alt="Raines" width="219" height="300" />I&#8217;ll have a more detailed Hall of Fame post soon (I think Mr. Biro might as well&#8230;) but <a href="http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/12/16/make-it-raines/">Joe Posnanski&#8217;s item today</a> pretty much sums up my thoughts on Tim Raines:</p>
<p>Poz has some interesting thoughts on <a href="http://ask14.sullivantire.com/">Jim Rice</a> vs. <a href="http://www.roywhitefoundation.org/roy_white/index.php">Roy White</a> &#8211; the point being that you wouldn&#8217;t think of White as being as near a good a player as Rice, but when you look deeper, the case can be made&#8230; I&#8217;m interested to see if Raines garners more support this year, without an absolute slam-dunk on the <a href="http://community.baseballhall.org/Page.aspx?pid=470">ballot</a>.</p>
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